As promised in Podcast 233 released on 4/1/11, here is a follow-up interview with Gould and Fitzgerald, co-hosted with Sibel Edmonds of Boiling Frogs Post. It's a wide-ranging discussion of recent events and the current situation in Afghanistan. Elizabeth Gould and Paul Fitzgerald join us to talk about their recently released book, Crossing Zero: The AfPak War at the Turning Point of American Empire. They discuss the origins of the Taliban and the array of armed groups in AfPak that are lumped together as â€œTalibanâ€ by US media and politicians. Gould-Fitzgerald talk about Pakistanâ€™s double play, the struggle for oil and gas that is the basis for the conflict, pipeline politics, the confused or even lack of strategy in the senseless costly war, the current corruption ridden puppet regime in Afghanistan, Obama administrationâ€™s drone-mania, their 8-point plan for ending the US occupation, and more! Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould, a husband and wife team, began their experience in Afghanistan when they were the first American journalists to acquire permission to enter behind Soviet lines in 1981 for CBS News and produced a documentary, Afghanistan Between Three Worlds, for PBS. In 1983 they returned to Kabul with Harvard Negotiation project director Roger Fisher for ABC Nightline and contributed to the MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour. They continued to research, write and lecture about the long-term run-up that led to the US invasion of Afghanistan. They are featured in an award winning documentary by Samira Goetschel. Titled, Our own Private Bin Laden which traces the creation of the Osama bin Laden mythology in Afghanistan and how that mythology has been used to maintain the â€œwar on terrorâ€ approach of the Bush administration. Their latest book Crossing Zero: The AFPAK War at the Turning Point of American Empire published by City Lights in March 2011 focuses on the nuances of the Obama administrationâ€™s evolving military and political strategy, those who have been chosen to implement it, and the long-term consequences for the U.S. and the region.